Great care has been given by Hornady engineers to develop superior, match­-accurate hunting loads that allow the ELD­-X ® bullet to achieve its maximum ballistic potential. I have the Remington Mountian Rifle. These rifle loads have been developed to closely approximate those pistol velocities, resulting in similar performance on game animals. Its loads also work with jacketed bullets because, contrary to what many handloaders believe, jacketed bullets actually result in less pressure with the same loads, since they don’t seal the bore as completely as softer cast bullets. 300 H & H Magnum. Powders include Accurate (Sometimes the charge has to be adjusted a little, especially for bullets outside normal weights, including my listed load for the .416 Remington Magnum with 210-grain .41 Magnum bullets.) My favorite among these is probably Alliant Red Dot, partly because it’s also versatile for 12-gauge reloading and partly because of an article by C.E. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. producing loads effective to 200 yards with minimal recoil. Remington reduced the .280’s working pressures by a large amount and the round debuted with much less performance than planned. Shave 10 grains off a 160 gr. My experience with loads and pressure signs indicates that published max 280 loads may be conservative. agazain. jacketed bullets I am really not going to use for anything but plinking. 300 Win. The MPBR of this load is 245 yards. I stock: Green dot, Unique, 2400, and H4895. I’ve developed milder hunting/practice loads for really big rifles. Other benefits are longer barrel life, which is perfect for me when plinking. While younger shooters may find it unbelievable, many retired shooters eventually decide it’s possible to own too many rifles, so they sell some, spending the money on other stuff, including visits to distant grandchildren. Clute, Texas. Although I have used many reduced loads in the .223 Remington, my favorite consists of the 40-grain Hornady V-Max propelled by a charge of 16.0 grains of IMR 4198. Oct 21, 2020 #2 I've always used a modest load of RE22 in both standard .280's and also .280 AI with good success (most any 120-140 grain bullet). Use 70 percent as a starting load. and 30-06. Joined Aug 25, 2013 Messages 61. H4895 comes to mind as one Sierra used to recommend for reduced loads. Does anyone have any suggestions for very reduced loads for a 17 Rem? O.A.C.L. Accurate 5744 is just as versatile as the 4895s. 280 Remington (7mm express, Old School cartridge name) is a fine shooter. ), Another good source for really- reduced data is Lyman’s cast-bullet manual. Wish you could enjoy that .375 H&H at the range for 50 shots instead of 2 or 3 before the recoil takes its toll? Managed-Recoil® bullets deliver 2x expansion with over 75% weight retention on shots inside of 50 yards and out to 200 yards. .280 Remington Youth / Reduced Loads (Accurate Data) reloading data with 4 loads. Numerous modern smokeless powders are double base in construction, containing both Nitrocellulose and Nitroglycerine. For this type of shooting, loads are reduced even more than the hunting loads listed here. The .280 Remington does, however, have a larger than expected number of European users in imported self-loading rifles such as those by Remington. Notes: case: Remington; barrel length: 24"; twist: 1:10"; trim length: 2.530"; primer: Remington 9 1/2; bullet diam. .223 Remington. Velocity starting in the 2200 fps range will allow a 200 yd load, considering the scope being set at 3.5 inches high at 100 yds. After my success using Unique and 2400 with my cast loads I am wondering what I can do with them. There were, however, vast stocks of “military surplus” powders, and many soon became available to handloaders, largely due to Bruce Hodgdon. Why not use milder loads to take advantage of cheap, abundant .223 Remington brass, when full-power .223 loads aren’t necessary for shooting holes in paper, or even many varmints? Oct 15, 2018 #5 I have used Unique … Powders include IMR, Accurate, Hodgdon, Winchester, Vihtavuori, Alliant This has been my experience since first using IMR-4895 in the late 1970s, when the 60 percent suggestion still appeared in various publications. 30-06 Spring. W. Work2hunt Veteran member. Now have quite a few 150 gr. After considerable experimentation, Harris found 13.0 grains of Red Dot worked well in any cartridge above .35 Remington capacity when using cast or jacketed bullets of “normal” weight. has an EKR of 225 yards. Never mix any two powders regardless of type, brand, or source. It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. How? According to my reloading books the 6.5X55 with a 140 Grn bullet is moving about 2550-2850fps depending on the load, your 280 with a 140 grn is moving 2700-2950 fps again depending on the load. So why would any twenty- first-century handloader use reduced loads, especially with relatively blunt bullets? Similarly, gunsmith and bullet maker James Calhoon experimented considerably with Blue Dot after consulting with Alliant. SPCL SR 4759 30 2445 3.25 280 Remington 140 140 GR. [quote=SU35]My results from testing RL 26 in the 280 Rem. Have an older Remington 700 stamped 280 Remington. A good source of reduced-load data is Lyman's cast-bullet manual, which can be used for both cast and jacketed bullets. Thread starter Phil_700; Start date Oct 21, 2020; Phil_700. Harris titled “The Load” in the 1990 Handloader’s Digest. Nosler Partition well with RL19 and that's what I use for the deer sized game I hunt. Normally these are double-based, providing more energy in smaller charges. What powder is working best for those who load .280 REM? They still like to shoot and handload, but after decades of owning the perfect rifle for every purpose, they found some rifles got used far more than others. Sep 8, 2016 #1 M. Miller1 Well-Known Member. (Some IMR powder is now made in Australia to the same specifications. Top . I do, however, normally use a dowel or nail for checking the powder level of reduced loads filling less than half the case, to prevent double charges. So they worked up loads for fewer rifles, often reduced loads so their grandchildren could comfortably hunt squirrels with Grandpa’s deer rifles or hunt deer with Grandpa’s moose rifles. PTD. Reduced loads are useful, fun and save money. Today’s velocity freaks wouldn’t even consider such a load, even though it certainly wouldn’t do elk any good at “timber” ranges. This was common before World War II, and articles in shooting magazines frequently included reduced loads. 30-378 Weatherby. Next Last. Fireforming Loads Rem 280 brass CCI Magnum primers 162 Amax seated just into the lands 52 grains IMR4832 24" rock creek barrel 1:8.7" Averages around .3 MOA out of this gun and 2650 fps but I have shot quite a few .2" groups (3 shot) 280AI Loads 57 Grains IMR4831 Rem Brass, CCI Magnums 162 Amax seated 15 thousand off the lands w/ same barrel 2930 fps with ZERO pressure … I started using IMR-4895, because it was more commonly available in Montana. Looking for light loads with the J's for 280 Rem. I'm very impressed with that Interbond, even 200 FPS faster from my MSM. The most flexible was 4895, whether IMR or Hodgdon. A. agazain. ATTENTION: New reloading data … Joined: Apr 28, 2009 Messages: 1,363 Location: Northeastern Illinois. Using bullets from Speer Spitz SP or Spitz BTSP. Custom 280 Remington Handloads Really Reach Potential. It should be noted that suggested “start” loads should not be further reduced or erratic ignition and hang-fires can occur. 700. Gold $$ Contributor. Wt. This affliction began when … .280 Remington - Manufacturer Loading Data. The end result is a high-performance bullet optimized to provide the on-game results you've come to expect from Remington Ammunition with just half the felt recoil. Looking for light loads with the J's for 280 Rem. Glad I did, be careful whose handloads you trust. This sounds simple enough, but experienced handloaders have read warnings about not reducing charges of slow-burning powders more than 10 percent, due to the possibility of blowing up a rifle because of “pressure excursions.” In this context, excursion does not mean a trip to visit the grandchildren in Spokane. Remington introduced the excellent .280 Remington in 1957, but it was poorly promoted, loaded to lower velocities than its full potential and had to compete with the well-established .270 Winchester. For most cartridge / powder combinations, getting the powder charge low will cause ignition and ballistic problems. Or how about some extended practice on a plate rack with your “grizzly bear stopper” revolver? The lightweight Mountain rifle (only 6.5 pounds) was made with the best features usually found only in custom rifles. That would be admitting their Rocky-to-Bullwinkle battery wasn’t perfect. Even moderate cartridges work fine with starting loads, especially older rounds with mild pressure limits as set by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI). Partition for everything. Post subject: 280 Remington 160 gr load advice. Reduce the loads shown here by about 6 percent for such rifles. All are more than enough reason for handloaders to add “shrinkage” to their techniques. .270 shooters just smirked and went about their business. Use a similar load in both my 7-06 AI's, with results that I am satisfied with. Enter unfortunate event number two. Joined: Apr 2007. 340 Weatherby Magnum. Managed-Recoil® Centerfire Ammunition delivers trusted Remington® field-proven hunting performance out to 200 yards, with half the recoil. I can work up to about 2950fps with 140s and maybe 2750 with 160s with either powder. Its beginnings provide a partial answer. Mar 14, 2017 #2 I use R19 with 140gr Nosler Partitions. My current favorite loads are with 140 gr Barnes TSXs and 160 gr Nosler Partitions. Reduced Loads With Accurate 5744 - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: This thread is in response to a mention of reduced loads right here.Terry Wieland wrote an article titled “Against the Stream” in the HandLoading column of the January/February 2006 issue of Petersen’s RifleShooter. Because 140- and 150-grain bullets are a common weight for deer hunting in a variety of calibers, that would seem a good size for comparison testing against a 270 Win. 6mm Remington Very Active Member. My grandson wants to shoot my .260 this yrar. Campfire Guide. Now have quite a few 150 gr. He explained that they’d gotten slightly more consistent results with H-4895 in reduced loads, but IMR-4895 also worked with the 60 percent of maximum rule. Powder left in the reloader's powder measure hoppers for extended periods, overnight or several days, should be avoided. IMHO its about shot placement. Rem 700 LA 280 Rem 3-9x42 SS 25" McGowen 9 twist barrel 52.5 gr H4831sc & 162 AMax @ 2640 fps Rem Brass Fed 210M primer 3.350 COAL 2.125" 3 shot group at 500 yds Savage 111 LA 280 Rem 5-20x50 SS HD 25" CBI 9 twist 54gr H4831sc & 162 Amax @ 2745 fps Rem brass Fed 210M primer 3.390 COAL This load is right around MOA. Glad I did, be careful whose handloads you trust. Low velocity, low recoil loading is possible, but as always, only with the correct reload data. A forth way to make reduced loads is to use a powder that is considered too slow for that particular round. Some companies also publish simple formulas for reducing loads with specific powders. 300 Weatherby Magnum. A muzzle velocity of around 2,500 fps ensures spitzer expansion out to at least 200 yards, and my hunting notes over the last 40 years indicate 90 percent of big game is shot within 200 yards. I have shot some 1" groups at 200 yards but can take the same rounds a week later and not get inside 2" at 100 yards. Trail Boss was designed for reduced loads, and one of its advantages is increased bulk over traditional reduced-load powder, such as Unique, preventing double charges. To millennials, this may seem ancient information, but even in 2002 IMR powder was being made at the same factory in Canada where most is produced today, and the same data works fine. I find this reduced load in the 22-250 Remington fun to shoot because the rifle report is greatly reduced making it easier on your ears and the felt recoil is appears virtually eliminated. If you are interested in the most recent data for cartridges and/or bullet weights/styles not listed on this page, contact Barnes Consumer Service department to inquire about recommended loads and approximate timing for the data to be made available via email at customerservice@barnesbullets.com or by phone at 800.574.9200.. Bugs. Magnum. Short Magnum. Along with the 60 percent rule for the 4895s, Hodgdon lists a formula for Trail Boss, a powder designed for really-reduced loads: Fill the case to the base of a seated bullet, then weigh that charge and use it as the maximum load – though pressure will always be less than maximum for the cartridge. Accuracy and terminal performance are the cornerstones of Hornady ® Precision Hunter ® factory loaded ammunition. With H-4831 & H-4831 SC, both of my .270 Win rifles will print .25" groups. Most of the factory loads for the 7mm-08 Remington are built around the 120-, 140- and 150-grain bullets, though there are some heavier loads available, using 160-grain and sometimes heavier bullets. An example is the 308 Winchester round. In his article Wieland discusses both IMR Trail Boss and Accurate Arms 5744. In his article Wieland discusses both IMR Trail Boss and Accurate Arms 5744. SIE SP SR 4759 29 2335 3.23 280 Remington 150 150 GR. In general, powders with a burn rate around IMR-4350 or slower should not be used in charges lighter than listed starting loads, partly because they’re more difficult to ignite. 325 Win. Using bullets from Hornady GMX, IB, SST, BTSP or SP. Congrats on such a good load. Campfire Guide. My intent was to use 123 grain bulk bullets from Midsouth Shooters. PATENT PENDING . Ultra Magnum. popbang, Apr 29, 2009 #9. tactikel Member. Reduced loads with certain powders can be very dangerous. In fact, my supply is still kept in a metal canister originally containing eight pounds obtained about 15 years ago. The second tab under the website DATA menu is titled “, Not to leave shotgun shooters out, the third tab under the website’s DATA menu is titled “. I want to shoot more while punching wholes in a target it is nice to have an alternative that is easy on barrel life. Do not take my word for this and be sure and confirm with Sierra or Hodgedon powders. Short Magnum. You must agree to the terms below before continuing. I’m going to choose some of the highest B.C. One of my favorites is a booklet published in 2002 by the IMR Powder Company, before IMR became part of Hodgdon, because data for many popular, rifle cartridges includes fast-burning powders, such as IMR-4227 and IMR-4198. Remington reduced the .280’s working pressures by a large amount and the round debuted with much less performance than planned. All this used to be well known among handloaders in the years after World War II. Was given a pile of reloads for the .280 remington that I pulled apart. The most popular bullets in the .270 are the 130- and 150-grain slugs (this from Hornady on sales of bullets) and even though a couple of other weights are available for it, the .280 can be loaded successfully with 100, 110, 115, 120, 130, 139, 140, 145, 150, 154, 160, 165, 168 and 175 weight slugs. Often Grandpa himself eventually preferred reduced loads, because packing out squirrels was easier than packing out moose, and lighter recoil is easier on older shoulders. If a handloader desires a specific muzzle velocity, the reduction is directly proportional to the reduction in powder charge: reduce a full-power charge 25 percent, and muzzle velocity drops 25 percent. This especially applies to spherical powders, because their tiny granules include very resistant coatings to slow the burn rate. Handloaders found maximum charges could be reduced by nearly half and still result in consistently accurate ammunition. Regards, Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337Z using Tapatalk . Back then, most sources listed what many twenty-first-century handloaders would consider stupidly inadequate velocities, because companies listed every suitable powder. Notable post-war wildcats such as the . reduced loads for .260 rem. Paul . bullet and see if you think that's going to make much difference. A few handloaders assumed this meant IMR-4895 wasn’t safe with loads reduced to 60 percent of maximum, so I called Ron Reiber at Hodgdon. The .30-06 is substantially more popular and manufacturers thus offer a much greater selection of loads at a substantially lower price point. .223 Remington. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. Thread starter Miller1; Start date Sep 8, 2016; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . (If you don’t believe this, compare various sources of data for cast and jacketed bullets. Nobody really knows why such excursions occur, but one guess is that only part of the powder charge initially ignites, pushing the bullet into the lands and blocking the bore before the rest of the powder takes off. The Remington Managed Recoil load (125 grain PSP bullet, MV 2660 f.p.s.) Why would any hunter own several new rifles, chambered for nifty new cartridges for everything from squirrels to moose, then use reduced handloads? 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